the states with a lot of nra members that they tried to defeat president obama in, like florida and pennsylvania and ohio, they lost and lost big, and so it just isn't the case like it may have been two decades ago that if you take on the nra, mrs. a political price to pay. in fact, they do a lot worse than they ever did before and a lot worse than many other groups do out there in the electoral space. so i think that people are going to be willing to vote for commonsense gun legislation, in part uz because people are seeing that the nra is a bit of a paper tiger compared to their reputation down here. >> what do you think makes them so powerful? >> you know, i think people remember 1994, and, you know, they claim that they took out member after member who voted for the crime bill that year that included the assault weapons ban when, in fact, if you go back and look at the 1994 elections there were a million different factors as to why so many democrats lost, but for whatever reason the political post script on that year was that if you vote for the assault weapons ban, then you lost your seat i